Comments on: Why This Disabled Woman No Longer Identifies as a Feminist http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/ Changing the Cultural Conversation Tue, 24 Sep 2013 03:32:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.6.1 By: Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-768234 Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg Mon, 26 Aug 2013 20:45:00 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-768234 Hi Melonary, thank you so much for your comments. I totally hear you about superficial attention to issues, and I needed to be clearer in the piece about my feelings on that. I do not think that feminism does a very good job with LGBTQ issues, or really with any issues that don’t fit the white cis able-bodied straight middle-class paradigm. And it wasn’t my intention to use other oppressions as a foil for how badly disabled people have it in feminism. If my piece ended up sounding that way, it’s something for me to look at in my writing and in my work in general.

One of the things I was trying to get across was the difference between feminism addressing issues really poorly (i.e. just paying lip service) and feminism not addressing them at all. I sometimes wish that feminism would address disability really poorly, because it would at least mean that feminism sees us as an identity group with its own civil rights movement. Instead, feminism sees us the way that society in general sees us — as just a bunch of individuals with icky bodies whom no one wants to look at or deal with. Personally, I find it easier to talk to someone who addresses me by my name (even if everything that comes after the mention of my name is unbelievably ignorant) than it is to talk to someone who ignores me as though I don’t exist. But I think I will need to do some work on making it much clearer that a) paying lip service and ignoring people altogether both cause substantial suffering, and b) saying that one is better or worse than the other is extremely problematic. In general, I try to stay away from binaries and hierarchies, but they creep in and it’s something for me to reflect on.

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By: Melonary http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-768211 Melonary Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:26:19 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-768211 Also I think I may have misread on the first reading, but if you’re white (apologies if I’m wrong) you may also want to consider the paragraph I wrote regarding lgbtq rights in relation to race as well. Honestly, it’s jarring and tiring as a disabled woman with intersecting oppressions to be used as an Example by other disabled people.

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By: Melonary http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-768210 Melonary Mon, 26 Aug 2013 02:17:23 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-768210 I’m sorry, I just want to apologize beforehand because my response to this is going to be emotional. I’m not entirely responding to you, but more the way in which feminists I’ve seen have approached ableism. The anger is not directed at you.

In all honestly, I feel sick of the tunnel vision I see. Maybe someday we can move past that, but for the time being I really don’t care if someone describes their day as crazy (describing someone else as crazy, less so) or if someone says the traffic was insane. What I want is for people to actually give a shit about the conditions of our lives in a way that would make an appreciable difference to me and other disabled people, right here, right now. I’m so sick of feminists who think that yelling at other people over minute language issues is the peak of their anti-ableism activism. It means shit to me if me & other disabled people are still facing the most basic access of care issues. It means shit to me if those same feminists stay dead silent about politics of medication and treatment, accessibility, and quality of life for us. It means shit to me if those same women would look at me in shock or disdain if I was symptomatic in front of them. It means shit to me if those same feminists hold discussions where they call people like me monsters, while simultaneously telling off others for i had a crazy day!

Especially if these same feminists are outright hostile to people who may use these words unknowingly, some of whom may be disabled (and may find hostility and lack of explanation even more draining or confusing because of that). I understand hostility in situations born of frustration and oppression, but I don’t think I’m alone in saying it’s a shallow ally at best who shouts on your behalf and appropriates your anger without any deep understanding of the issues. Of course, this gets even more complicated when you come to the issues of intercommunity disabilities and the fact that even other disabled people can speak over and have a shallow understanding of disabilities they don’t experience.
You do mention other things, and honestly, again, this isn’t a reproach as much as a response in general to my experience and frustration talking about disability in feminist spaces online. I’ve had less problems offline, probably because my activism and support circles have been filled primarily by people who are disabled themselves. I feel your frustration, but I want to stress the importance of teaching allies to listen louder than they speak.

Also, as a disabled lesbian women, I get the point you’re trying to make about the level of activism against other oppressions, but all the same I find it someone frustrating when other disabled women seem to use lgbtq oppression as a token example of how badly off disabled people are. I know. I am one. But lgbtq acceptance is much more superficial than it may appear and it can get frustrating to be an Example. This isn’t a reproof, just food for thought.

Thank you for the article.

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By: Linda http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-767379 Linda Sat, 10 Aug 2013 15:43:09 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-767379 It’s not assumptions, it’s observations. There’s some at http://autistscorner.blogspot.com/2009/10/but-what-about-aspie-men.html and some more at http://nymag.com/news/features/autism-spectrum-2012-11/index3.html

“…Schnarch recalls a man who phoned him the day before a scheduled initial couples session and announced that he’d just been diagnosed with Asperger’s. “As soon as this happened,” Schnarch says, “I knew I had difficulty.” He contacted the referring therapist, who said he’d suspected the man had Asperger’s because he said things to his girlfriend that were so cruel he couldn’t possibly understand their impact. As far as Schnarch was concerned, it was an all-too-familiar instance of sadism masquerading as disability. “If you’re going to perp, the best place to perp from is the victim position.”…”

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By: Michelle Davison http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-767099 Michelle Davison Wed, 07 Aug 2013 00:18:31 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-767099 I don’t usually reply to things. I had a series of strokes in 2009, suffered physical paralysis, but most sadly speech problems & cognitive damage. I understood most of your article & ask that you continue to be vocal for those of us that can’t be vocal

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By: chavisory http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-766994 chavisory Mon, 05 Aug 2013 04:15:38 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-766994 Um, what?

Some mighty big presumptions in this accusation.

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By: Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-766929 Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg Sat, 03 Aug 2013 01:05:33 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-766929 Yes, indeed, Adrienne. I still hold to feminist principles. I just can’t be part of a movement in which those principles are being violated with regard to women with disabilities.

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By: Linda http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-766927 Linda Sat, 03 Aug 2013 00:35:34 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-766927 …and it’s getting even worse for the intersection, what with anti-feminists diagnosing themselves with Asperger’s in order to accuse people who don’t like rape culture of being ableist…

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By: Adrienne http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-766926 Adrienne Sat, 03 Aug 2013 00:23:09 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-766926 Hi Rachel,

I appreciated so much about your essay. It’s true that feminists and progressives/lefties generally have little or no interest or understanding of disability issues.

You framed this essay: Why I no longer identify as a feminist. Yet, in talking to Barbara Ruth you use the pronoun “our” to describe the disabled feminist perspective.

I hope this is a clue that you/we can be angry as hell over the invisibility of disability within the feminist movement and still hold commitment to women and women’s issues. It seems like a useful paradox.

With Respect,
Adrienne Lauby

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By: Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/2013/07/30/why-this-disabled-woman/#comment-766868 Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg Thu, 01 Aug 2013 19:45:37 +0000 http://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/?p=2944#comment-766868 Barbara Ruth, my piece wasn’t about disabled feminists. It was about nondisabled feminists who refuse to deal with disability issues. I know there are many disabled feminists out there. It’s that our perspective hasn’t made its way into feminism as a whole.

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