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		By: EAPC		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interestingâ€¦.. Iâ€™ve seen this picture before (since this is almost a year old posting, Iâ€™m sure thatâ€™s not surprising) but I liked it. I didnâ€™t go to any of the places about being old and in a wheelchair being negative (especially the chair â€“ it didnâ€™t even really register to me that it was a wheelchair versus just some nondescript hospital/nursing home/grandmaâ€™s kitchen chair), or that the ballet shadow was an idealistic anything. I thought it was just a commentary on human imagination. If that shadow had been of a seated racecar driver, or a fairy, or sasquatch or any other number of different fantastic shadows rather than of a dancer, maybe youâ€™d have seen it in the same light I did. I suppose thatâ€™s why you put that part in your post about monks and not making value judgments based on appearances, but I hope there are more people out there than Buddhist monks (and me) who just see it as a flight of imagination being projected there rather than an escape from perceived restrictions. Iâ€™m sort of a day dreamer, though, and I dig the quote. I might look like an absolutely average, tame, frumpy librarian type to others, but Iâ€™m a rock star in my own head any time I feel like being one. :)

I guess I just wanted to throw in some optimism to counter the criticism thereâ€¦.. I donâ€™t see it the way youâ€™ve described it at all, and Iâ€™m sure I canâ€™t be the only one. People arenâ€™t ALL full of negative stereotypes and assumptions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingâ€¦.. Iâ€™ve seen this picture before (since this is almost a year old posting, Iâ€™m sure thatâ€™s not surprising) but I liked it. I didnâ€™t go to any of the places about being old and in a wheelchair being negative (especially the chair â€“ it didnâ€™t even really register to me that it was a wheelchair versus just some nondescript hospital/nursing home/grandmaâ€™s kitchen chair), or that the ballet shadow was an idealistic anything. I thought it was just a commentary on human imagination. If that shadow had been of a seated racecar driver, or a fairy, or sasquatch or any other number of different fantastic shadows rather than of a dancer, maybe youâ€™d have seen it in the same light I did. I suppose thatâ€™s why you put that part in your post about monks and not making value judgments based on appearances, but I hope there are more people out there than Buddhist monks (and me) who just see it as a flight of imagination being projected there rather than an escape from perceived restrictions. Iâ€™m sort of a day dreamer, though, and I dig the quote. I might look like an absolutely average, tame, frumpy librarian type to others, but Iâ€™m a rock star in my own head any time I feel like being one. 🙂</p>
<p>I guess I just wanted to throw in some optimism to counter the criticism thereâ€¦.. I donâ€™t see it the way youâ€™ve described it at all, and Iâ€™m sure I canâ€™t be the only one. People arenâ€™t ALL full of negative stereotypes and assumptions.</p>
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		By: Sharon daVanport		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Love this, Rachel! I appreciate your post, and I love the direction your work is going. These are important topics to bring to light and understand â€“ thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this, Rachel! I appreciate your post, and I love the direction your work is going. These are important topics to bring to light and understand â€“ thank you.</p>
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		By: Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/ableism/ableism-and-ageism-in-one-tidy-little-package/#comment-438&quot;&gt;GirlWithTheCane&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes! I worked with a therapist for awhile who is very aware of disability rights issues, and we talked a lot about the work I do with my writing. She was very supportive of my truth that most of what depresses me has to do with stigma and discrimination, and with the ways in which Iâ€™ve internalized negative attitudes about disability from the world around me. By the time I went to see her, I had largely adapted to my disabilities, so the question really became how to navigate other peopleâ€™s attitudes. In a lot of ways, our discussions of the work I do with my writing helped me to claim the value of my form of activism, and to develop pride and inner strength to deal with what the world dishes out. What was most helpful was realizing that I didnâ€™t have to be doing the sort of activism that, given my sensory issues, would be very difficult â€” like taking a bus to protests or talking with my legislators â€” and that simply speaking out in my own voice was enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/ableism/ableism-and-ageism-in-one-tidy-little-package/#comment-438">GirlWithTheCane</a>.</p>
<p>Yes! I worked with a therapist for awhile who is very aware of disability rights issues, and we talked a lot about the work I do with my writing. She was very supportive of my truth that most of what depresses me has to do with stigma and discrimination, and with the ways in which Iâ€™ve internalized negative attitudes about disability from the world around me. By the time I went to see her, I had largely adapted to my disabilities, so the question really became how to navigate other peopleâ€™s attitudes. In a lot of ways, our discussions of the work I do with my writing helped me to claim the value of my form of activism, and to develop pride and inner strength to deal with what the world dishes out. What was most helpful was realizing that I didnâ€™t have to be doing the sort of activism that, given my sensory issues, would be very difficult â€” like taking a bus to protests or talking with my legislators â€” and that simply speaking out in my own voice was enough.</p>
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		By: GirlWithTheCane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The graphic left me cold and I couldnâ€™t say why. Then I totally got onto your train of thought and found myself anticipating what you were going to say nextâ€¦and yeah, the graphic left me feeling kind ofâ€¦icky.

The second part of your post spoke to me about locus of control, and it really made me think. Iâ€™ve been known myself to say to people with disabilities that Iâ€™ve worked with, â€œFocus on what you can control. You canâ€™t control that personâ€™s ignorant atttitude and what it makes him say; you can only control how you react.â€ But youâ€™re right that it does put all the onus on the person with the disability to develop a thick skin. Perhaps a better way for therapists is to assist the person to develop coping strategies while helping them to explore what they feel they can do in their circumstances to feel like theyâ€™re contributing to changing peoplesâ€™ attitudes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The graphic left me cold and I couldnâ€™t say why. Then I totally got onto your train of thought and found myself anticipating what you were going to say nextâ€¦and yeah, the graphic left me feeling kind ofâ€¦icky.</p>
<p>The second part of your post spoke to me about locus of control, and it really made me think. Iâ€™ve been known myself to say to people with disabilities that Iâ€™ve worked with, â€œFocus on what you can control. You canâ€™t control that personâ€™s ignorant atttitude and what it makes him say; you can only control how you react.â€ But youâ€™re right that it does put all the onus on the person with the disability to develop a thick skin. Perhaps a better way for therapists is to assist the person to develop coping strategies while helping them to explore what they feel they can do in their circumstances to feel like theyâ€™re contributing to changing peoplesâ€™ attitudes?</p>
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		By: maylislovingthings		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like this post but this was not my interpretation of this graphic the first time I saw it. And even if I understand what you meanâ€¦ I still see this graphic as a positive messageâ€¦ maybe because my biggest frustration in life is not beeing able to do ballet dance. I accept myself as a disabled woman and sometimes I like thinking about How my life could be if I was able bodiedâ€¦ and most of the time I think that I would be a totally different personâ€¦ and not only in a good wayâ€¦ and it makes me appreciate who I am, partly thank to my disabilityâ€¦ ;)

Anyway thank you for sharing your thoughts and your knowledge, I love your blog!! it often rings a bell and makes me think of things in other ways! Merci!!

ps : sorry for the grammar mistakes, Iâ€™m frenchâ€¦]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post but this was not my interpretation of this graphic the first time I saw it. And even if I understand what you meanâ€¦ I still see this graphic as a positive messageâ€¦ maybe because my biggest frustration in life is not beeing able to do ballet dance. I accept myself as a disabled woman and sometimes I like thinking about How my life could be if I was able bodiedâ€¦ and most of the time I think that I would be a totally different personâ€¦ and not only in a good wayâ€¦ and it makes me appreciate who I am, partly thank to my disabilityâ€¦ 😉</p>
<p>Anyway thank you for sharing your thoughts and your knowledge, I love your blog!! it often rings a bell and makes me think of things in other ways! Merci!!</p>
<p>ps : sorry for the grammar mistakes, Iâ€™m frenchâ€¦</p>
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		By: Happy Elf Mom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting, because as I saw this picture before on fb, I â€œlikedâ€ it very much. I thought of it as showing the inner life and creativity of the person that is unchanged within â€¦ and hadnâ€™t considered that this was really a â€œpretend you are someone else less old and disabledâ€ sort of a picture at all. And then I thought that someone should totally take her to the ballet because she would enjoy it so, have you seen the new â€œspacesâ€ between standard seats for wheelchairs? Such a simple accomodation, and yet why didnâ€™t anyone think to do it before?

Anyway, itâ€™s a great post and itâ€™s very applicable to me as I raise teens and tweens who are going to need to find their place in the world and change it, all at the same time. That part I totally agreed with and understood. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, because as I saw this picture before on fb, I â€œlikedâ€ it very much. I thought of it as showing the inner life and creativity of the person that is unchanged within â€¦ and hadnâ€™t considered that this was really a â€œpretend you are someone else less old and disabledâ€ sort of a picture at all. And then I thought that someone should totally take her to the ballet because she would enjoy it so, have you seen the new â€œspacesâ€ between standard seats for wheelchairs? Such a simple accomodation, and yet why didnâ€™t anyone think to do it before?</p>
<p>Anyway, itâ€™s a great post and itâ€™s very applicable to me as I raise teens and tweens who are going to need to find their place in the world and change it, all at the same time. That part I totally agreed with and understood. 🙂</p>
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		By: Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/ableism/ableism-and-ageism-in-one-tidy-little-package/#comment-434&quot;&gt;DENA&lt;/a&gt;.

Dena, for any image, there are multiple interpretations possible. If youâ€™ll note, I suggested the possibility that the elderly lady was thinking of a former self. There is nothing wrong with doing so if one is simply enjoying a happy memory. However, the text overlays a value onto the image, and it draws a contrast being the perceptions of others, in which being old and disabled is a bad thing, and oneâ€™s self-perception, in which being young and able-bodied is a good thing. Itâ€™s the devaluation of being old and disabled that Iâ€™m critiquing here â€” not whether itâ€™s okay to enjoy a happy memory. As I age, I get a great deal of sustenance from my memories. Thatâ€™s very different from feeling good about myself by imagining myself as a young woman when Iâ€™m in my mid-50s. Iâ€™m not a young woman, and in order to feel good about myself, I have to feel good about who I am right now, not about who I once was.

And just to be clear: I donâ€™t judge the validity of an interpretation based on credentials, so whether you have a masterâ€™s degree or not really isnâ€™t important to me. I judge the validity of an interpretation on its merits; people are free to disagree with my interpretations whenever they see fit, and I will listen and reflect. If someone has a credential that gives that person a particular expertise and insight into something Iâ€™m saying, I will respect that, but I wonâ€™t automatically agree with the person or assume that the person must be right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/ableism/ableism-and-ageism-in-one-tidy-little-package/#comment-434">DENA</a>.</p>
<p>Dena, for any image, there are multiple interpretations possible. If youâ€™ll note, I suggested the possibility that the elderly lady was thinking of a former self. There is nothing wrong with doing so if one is simply enjoying a happy memory. However, the text overlays a value onto the image, and it draws a contrast being the perceptions of others, in which being old and disabled is a bad thing, and oneâ€™s self-perception, in which being young and able-bodied is a good thing. Itâ€™s the devaluation of being old and disabled that Iâ€™m critiquing here â€” not whether itâ€™s okay to enjoy a happy memory. As I age, I get a great deal of sustenance from my memories. Thatâ€™s very different from feeling good about myself by imagining myself as a young woman when Iâ€™m in my mid-50s. Iâ€™m not a young woman, and in order to feel good about myself, I have to feel good about who I am right now, not about who I once was.</p>
<p>And just to be clear: I donâ€™t judge the validity of an interpretation based on credentials, so whether you have a masterâ€™s degree or not really isnâ€™t important to me. I judge the validity of an interpretation on its merits; people are free to disagree with my interpretations whenever they see fit, and I will listen and reflect. If someone has a credential that gives that person a particular expertise and insight into something Iâ€™m saying, I will respect that, but I wonâ€™t automatically agree with the person or assume that the person must be right.</p>
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		By: DENA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/ableism/ableism-and-ageism-in-one-tidy-little-package/#comment-433&quot;&gt;Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg&lt;/a&gt;.

What I see is an elderly lady who is remembering when she was an accomplished ballerina. She is playing her music on her victrola and seeing her younger self. The smile on her face shows her happiness at the memory. She is not trying to instill the thought into anyone elses mind. I may not have a masters degree but I do know what (I) see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/ableism/ableism-and-ageism-in-one-tidy-little-package/#comment-433">Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg</a>.</p>
<p>What I see is an elderly lady who is remembering when she was an accomplished ballerina. She is playing her music on her victrola and seeing her younger self. The smile on her face shows her happiness at the memory. She is not trying to instill the thought into anyone elses mind. I may not have a masters degree but I do know what (I) see.</p>
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		By: Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel Cohen-Rottenberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/ableism/ableism-and-ageism-in-one-tidy-little-package/#comment-432&quot;&gt;LucyMB&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, my editorâ€™s eye went to that as well. I decided to concentrate on the content. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.disabilityandrepresentation.com/ableism/ableism-and-ageism-in-one-tidy-little-package/#comment-432">LucyMB</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, my editorâ€™s eye went to that as well. I decided to concentrate on the content. 🙂</p>
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		By: LucyMB		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LucyMB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great piece. Youâ€™re right of course, the internal transition canâ€™t happen without external support.
Can I just add a critique you missed: that comma in the first line â€” what the hell is that about?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece. Youâ€™re right of course, the internal transition canâ€™t happen without external support.<br />
Can I just add a critique you missed: that comma in the first line â€” what the hell is that about?</p>
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